This was a thought-provoking piece ~ thank you. Also listened to Part One of your CZM, “The Armed Nonviolent Civil Rights Movement”, and will check out the book by Charles E. Cobb, Jr., “This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed”. Just paid, too.
Both thought provoking pieces, particularly in combination, with more depth, nuance, and examples present in the podcast. Relevant lessons there for today.
My favorite —
“…strategic nonviolence apparently works really well paired with self defense.”
Also, I really appreciated this piece as someone who was raised Quaker, quit as a teenager because I did not want to commit to pacifism, and am rejoining as an adult, because in the past few years of going to Meeting again as an adult, I've learned how much more space there is for difference and dissent -- I am grateful to a Quaker who told me of one of her Quaker elders who couldn't commit to the peace testimony either, because she had learned from surviving the Holocaust that there is absolutely a place for violent resistance.
One of the things that's important to me about Quakerism is getting to spend time with people who have been activists for decades and placed it very close to the centre of their lives, and who have wrestled VERY deeply and thoughtfully with questions like the place of violence in social change. Even if we come out in slightly different places, taking the question seriously is so precious to me.
Anyways, all of which to say, these questions are on my mind and I appreciate your reflections on them.
This is why your experienced voice is so important. I now see the distinction. We are there. I love the historical perspective - we have so many movements to learn from, the successes and the failures. The J6 folks brought signs and flags attached to medieval weapons. Nobody stopped them, they deployed them, and now regarded as heroes by the enemy. I'd like your historical perspective on something more recent, i.e. the occupy movement. Seems they had a good idea - hit them where it hurts, in their commerce. We should be disrupting the things that are important to these fascists, we need a strategy for that. I also posted today on the reality of where we are, hopefully we help build the movement.
Thank you very much for the article, which I have also translated. It corresponds to my opinion that schematic non-violence irretrievably condemns us to capitalist violence and the impositions of this system:
If they aren't spending money on teargas to make you go away, how do you even know they hear what you are saying?
This was a thought-provoking piece ~ thank you. Also listened to Part One of your CZM, “The Armed Nonviolent Civil Rights Movement”, and will check out the book by Charles E. Cobb, Jr., “This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed”. Just paid, too.
Both thought provoking pieces, particularly in combination, with more depth, nuance, and examples present in the podcast. Relevant lessons there for today.
My favorite —
“…strategic nonviolence apparently works really well paired with self defense.”
"spicy action" is so good
Also, I really appreciated this piece as someone who was raised Quaker, quit as a teenager because I did not want to commit to pacifism, and am rejoining as an adult, because in the past few years of going to Meeting again as an adult, I've learned how much more space there is for difference and dissent -- I am grateful to a Quaker who told me of one of her Quaker elders who couldn't commit to the peace testimony either, because she had learned from surviving the Holocaust that there is absolutely a place for violent resistance.
One of the things that's important to me about Quakerism is getting to spend time with people who have been activists for decades and placed it very close to the centre of their lives, and who have wrestled VERY deeply and thoughtfully with questions like the place of violence in social change. Even if we come out in slightly different places, taking the question seriously is so precious to me.
Anyways, all of which to say, these questions are on my mind and I appreciate your reflections on them.
This is why your experienced voice is so important. I now see the distinction. We are there. I love the historical perspective - we have so many movements to learn from, the successes and the failures. The J6 folks brought signs and flags attached to medieval weapons. Nobody stopped them, they deployed them, and now regarded as heroes by the enemy. I'd like your historical perspective on something more recent, i.e. the occupy movement. Seems they had a good idea - hit them where it hurts, in their commerce. We should be disrupting the things that are important to these fascists, we need a strategy for that. I also posted today on the reality of where we are, hopefully we help build the movement.
Thank you very much for the article, which I have also translated. It corresponds to my opinion that schematic non-violence irretrievably condemns us to capitalist violence and the impositions of this system:
https://www.trueten.de/archives/13643-Ohne-das-schreckliche-Tosen-seiner-vielen-Wasser-oder-Falsche-Gewaltlosigkeit-wird-Dich-nicht-retten.html
Telling my therapist that I suffer from “premature antifascism”